Fernando Valenzuela should get in. He had a great career. 2 rings, 1 CY young, ROY,, no-hitter, 6 all star games, 200 wins and perhaps most importantly, paving the way for Hispanic players
With all due respect I think Fernando does belong in the Hall of Fame BUT he did NOT pave the way for Hispanic players. That's not true I dont know where you got that from.
Joe Carter should've been in the cooperstown was on 2 world series and Dale Murphy great career in Atlanta with the Braves in the 80's put up great years 1980-1987 2 NL Mvp and Dave Parker another great won 2 world series 1 NLMvp .
It's very interesting that BBWAA don't like cheaters, but had no problems sliding bribes to locker room attendants to get the dirty laundry before anyone else did. It's also VERY interesting that players don't vote on the broadcasters who go in. I imagine the writers section in the HoF would be a lot smaller if they did.
One guy I believe should definitely be in is William Dummy Hoy. He was a great hitter and stole a ton of bases. He was deaf as well and is considered to be the reason that umpires you signals to call balls and strikes
Probably because you didn't see him own your hometown team as often as I did. Mine would be the Mariners. Even in their best times, it seemed like the Yankees pitching staff could frustrate the heck out of them.
Cone shouldn't make it. I see this as a reach for clicks. He was very good but never great for a long period of time. I don't see 300 wins or 3,500 strike outs. Just very good
Dave Stieb and Carlos Delgado should be HOF players. I am a huge Jays fan. I cried with tears of joy when Doc Halladay got in on 2019. You should make a video about him. We won't see another ace like him for a long time.
@@durasaxon5131 As a Yankee fan, I know how good Stieb was. I remember his near perfect game against the Yankees when he was a strike away from the feat. Stieb is the American League version of Orel Hershieser. A great pitcher who falls just short of reaching the HOF.
I'm a Cubs fan myself. Grace not being in is ridiculous. Like you said he had the most hits of the 90s. A time when everybody was Juiced out of their minds. And he got more hits than all of them. A multiple time Gold Glove winner. His war is 46.4 I believe. And a career .383 OBP.
For Tommy John, he should have played 3 more mediocre years and hurt his arm enough so he couldn't lift a pencil after retirement to get those 12 wins he needed to get to 300. He might as well had a record of 4 and 8242343524362 to the writers. Just like McGriff.
@@mikekinsella2822 Exactly. The writers never seem to add qualitative factors into consideration, only those numbers that have to reach certain milestones, not 3 hits or strikeouts short of the certain milestones. Remember that Jackie goddamn Robinson almost didn't get in his first ballot (though a few no votes were probably due to racism). Larry Doby didn't get elected until 1998. There should be a fan vote where fans elect 1 player every year who receives the most votes if the writers fail to elect anyone. So players like Curt Schilling or Carlos Beltran don't waste ballot space for 10 years because writers are petty and dumb. If the writers want to submit a blank ballot and write a "journalism" article on why they're so stunning and brave for not voting anyone, fine, but don't punish it for the rest of us. There's no point in even having a hall of fame if there isn't at least someone inducted every year.
KoKo Korneko: How can he not be in the HoF. Because he went out and played the game like it should be played. No theatrics. No 'droids. No flashy defense. Just solid numbers year after year.
For real, especially considering he did the bill of his work in essentially a 13 year career. His other 4 seasons saw playing time that doesn’t even equal one season.
I was originally a little miffed at leaving Don Mattingly out of the first list but after watching the next two, these list are incredibly on point and I've learned new things. Good job!
You know, I've been liking the content of the channel. It's great. Especially the one where it talks about the 10 players who are clubhouse cancers to teams. Watched it more than once. Recommend a part 2 of the content.
David Cone, has a Cy Young and a perfect game, that combo should kinda just bypass the vote. I think one of the biggest names that your list is missing is Lefty O'Doul. 5th all time for Career batting average .349 .413 on base (32nd all time) and .532 slg (50th all time) ops .945 (27th). Sure it was only an 11 year career, but you know what else he did? He introduced baseball to Japan. The Tokyo Giants are named such because Lefty last played for the New York Giants. No Lefty and we don't have Nomo, Ichiro, or Ohtani
Fred McGriff, great call, retired with the same amount of Homers as Lou Gerhig. Played during the roid era but his skinny frame it was evident he definitely didnt need that. His lanky build and sweet swing was a rhing if beauty
Great show hummer!!!! Highly recommed!! I've been in despair again on account of the "extinct" centerfielder. Going the way of the knuckleballer, like he's an anomally, A mysterious extinct prehistoric ceature from lore. If Willie Mays were a young prospect today, he'd be forced to gain 25 pounds and play right field, he'd never steal, bunt, tag when dangerous. It would seem having five tools leads to injuries, so this player gets avoided in favor of big homer hitting thugs with far less D and OBP like its a home run derby now, not the game I played..
I like to make a case for Willie McGee. He doesn't have the home runs a lot of outfielders have, but he does have: 1984 MVP 4x All-Star 3 Gold Gloves 1 Silver Slugger 4 World Series, 1 win 2 NL Batting Titles during Tony Gwynn's prime Over 2200 hits with 350 stolen bases Not a bad resumé for a guy most people think of as a role player just because he was quiet and didn't have many homers, but he did have lots of doubles, triples, and stolen bases. Compare him to guys like Scott Rolen, Alan Trammell, Bill Mazeroski...
I think you could make a great argument for George Foster to be in the HOF. The 1977 season he had was ridiculous, hitting 52 homers and driving in 149, winning the MVP. Really important part of the big red machine.
How in the world is Orel not in the Hall? He was dominant, and I mean dominant for at least a decade. He broke the scoreless inning streak, a record that was thought unbreakable at the time. Probably because he is an outspoken Christian. Jack Morris isn't even in the same category as Hershiser.
Love your videos! As a Kansas Citian and Royals fan, just wanted to point out that Coney won the Cy Young in 1994 with KC (Cone and Kevin Appier a really underrated 1-2 punch of the era). Agree he had an underratedly great career and needs more Hall consideration. One of the worst trades in Royals history was trading young, Kansas City native and childhood Royals fan David Cone to the Mets for Ed Hearn, and then after getting him back in free agency, we doubled down on it after the Kauffmans (original owners) died and money dried up by sending him to the Blue Jays right after winning the Cy Young for Chris Stynes. Woof.
I love that bit of throttle of excitement in your voice with a touch of distain over those who have not made the HALL. As a Yankees fan I truly would hope Thurman Munson would be in the Hall of Fame. Also, immense respect for Dwight Evans. Orel Hershiser? Tommy John? Luis Tiant? Absolutely!! Most of your selections have credentials. Now why isn't Albert Belle in the Hall of Fame? ty I'm binging - Very enjoyable! ✅
Out of all the players ive watched its Andrew Jones who is my #1 snub. His defense was historically great and his power numbers rank with other HOF players.
Your knowledge and research are admirable . My issue is that baseball's HoF is exclusive and that's what makes it special . Plus you're on a third top 10 snubbed list so in truth it's now a top 30 list . Will it eventually be a top 50?
Classic cases of writers, who never or couldn’t play, holding the power of who gets in or not, and if there was a player who didn’t get along with the writers he was guaranteed not to get in.
Wainwright may be in the list one day, those injuries he had each time he had a 20 win season really did a number to what his stats could have been. Even then a case can be made especially if he gets past 200 wins.
Hershieser has one of those rare feats that with all his other numbers and awards should , imo, easily push him across the finish line for the hof, he had one of those dominating post seasons where he led his team to a world series victory. Slam dunk. Also Jim Edmonds was an elite player for most of his career and one of the top center fielders of his era , he should be in too.
one manager i believe should be in the hof is former pirates manager Danny Murtaugh he won two world series both against hall of fame managers weaver and stengal. his teams owned the nl east and he took his team to the post season almost every year. murtaugh belongs in the hof.
I've been emailing numerous writers over the years saying Tommy John belongs there as I did for Jack Morris & Jim Kaat until they got in. Munson definetly needs to get in. He was the backbone of the great 70s Yankee teams. If Belle had his father's personality he would have gotten in. I heard his dad was a well liked coach years ago. Seems numerous players such as Cone aren't in because they had short stints with several teams. Noticed also that some players who spent a good portion of their careers playing for a Canadian or Florida teams teams get overlooked.
Sorry man, but all of those guys fell off the ballot years, if not decades, ago. Emailing writers won’t do you any good because they can’t vote for them anymore.
I must disagree on your comment regarding Munson being a Hall Of Famer. True, he was on the same line as Bench & Fisk during the '70's, however, he didn't play long enough to be inducted. The only player who played fewer seasons & was inducted was old time pitcher Addie Joss, who put up numbers that stand to this day.
It is time to rethink pitchers from the 80's and 90's who didn't get 300 wins. Guys like Stewart and Viola dominated and never really got a fair shake at the HOF.
Carlos Beltran was one of my favorite players to watch growing up. His career is definitely HOF worthy. It's a shame what he was involved in though. I was honestly about to go on a rant about you defending Beltran until you mentioned the part where everyone was doing it and this was in his final season of his MLB career. And the mere fact that Cora and Hinch still have a job is saying something about "consistency". For David Cone, aside from all the stats you mentioned, he was one of the true big game pitchers in the playoffs. There is no denying it. Appreciate you giving respect to Orel Hershiser. It's a shame that his run of pitching dominance didn't last long due to injuries and lack of run support in LA. How Carlos Delgado made only 2 All star teams was surprising. You hit the nail on the head for Thurman Munson. His HR numbers aren't great, but he was the main force in the Yankees' 70s titles. And Dwight Evans, 3x All Star, 8x Gold Glove award. People today quickly forget the cannon of an arm he had in right field. 385 home runs, nearly 2,500 hits, and his longevity was highly impressive.
What's crazy is how only the Puerto Rican and Hispanic players got introuble for the Astros cheating and the American players didn't get disciplined at all,Belrtan was the the person they blamed he wasn't even there long enough....He fasho is a hall of Fame players but what's the hall with out the best players?
@jasonrodriguez8569 he brought the system from a previous team and expanded on it. Astros had no system until Beltran arrived. But if it really helped so much why are there away numbers better?
As an Astros and Beltran fan, I say it is so much worse that he was the veteran on that team. Veterans are there to make sure stuff like that didn’t happen, not to take part of it, much less be a ringleader. I can’t support him getting in.
Let’s keep in mind Beltran wasn’t just involved in the cheating scandal. He was the one who started it here in Houston. He brought it from New York. He was adamant about using the system. So really in all actuality, he was probably cheating for many years seeing that the Yankees were doing it and he brought that system here.
You know, David Cone could literally be the biggest #1 snub. Dude cooked in the late 80s into the 90s! Holy crap!! To the point I actually assumed he was already a HOFer! Jesus Christ
Mini top 5 of players you’ve yet to talk about in this series that I think are snubs Bill Dahlen: 20 year career before WW1 Graig Nettles: Advanced Statistics Darling, and at a position in need of more representation in Cooperstown. Ken Boyer: For example! This guy is an 11 time all star, 5 time gold Glover, and won an MVP, yet he has no plaque? What’s the BBWAA’s beef with 3rd Baseman? Him, Sal Bando, Graig Nettles, Dick Allen, and Buddy Bell are all huge snubs, and all at the same position! Dave Steib: He is both the best starting pitcher of the 80s, and the single greatest Blue Jay in franchise history, yet he’s not in the Hall! Bobby Abreu: I will die fighting to get him in, I don’t care. Nearly batted for a career .300 .400 .500 during the Steroid Era while being clean. He’s 20th on the all time walk list and also stole 400 bags. Hall of Famer, without question.
3B is the most under-represented fielding position in Cooperstown by a country mile. IIRC, Mike Schmitt was only the tenth 3B elected, and his career came after all those guys you mentioned.
My brother...we're not gonna see eye to eye on Beltran (or Altuve or Bregman or my own beloved Blue Jay George Springer). Anyone who intentionally cheats the game (I DO NOT give a damn if it's always been part of the game, it's STILL cheating, and "cheating is cheating, just like, cheating is cheating"), DOES NOT deserve enshrinement with the immortals. Altuve is top 50 all-time in my book, I hope to God he never gets in. I hope the 46% who voted for Beltran decide have a change of heart, and decide to vote for MLB players, not MLB traitors.
Darrell Evans and HoJo belong in the Hall. The voters don't like Evans' batting average, but he's 13th all time in walks. Plus he's got 400+ HR's in a non-PED era. HoJo's got similar numbers to Jackie Robinson as well as being the only switch-hitter in MLB history with multiple 30/30 Clubs, which he had 3 of within 5 years. Plus he's got 2 rings with 2 different teams.
Darrell Evans really deserves more love. Even with modern assessment, he had a career WAR close to 60. He was a serious threat for pretty much his entire career. The Tigers of the '80s had a few guys guys who history has underappreciated. Evans, Lou Whittaker...
Albert Belle was the most fearsome hitter of his time. He more than deserves to be in the hall. I was not sold on Hershiser but you convinced me. One point that angers me is the writers will use the idea that Belle had a short career against him, but then somehow count longevity against a player like Tommy John saying oh he just accumulated stats. ridiculous.
I just saw this current top 10 video, of your's .... I would like to add my 3 former ball players to you, list. 2 every day guys & 1 pitcher, they are 1 } Craig Nettles, 2 } Steve Garvey, & 3 } Jerry Koosman. growing up in New Jersey Yankees & Mets are still at the top of my list. Plus I was a major Padres fan back in 1984 ...........
Glad to see Dewey getting some love! I could not agree more, he is a HUGE snub. And from watching this, I never realized how deserving Carlos Delgado is for the Hall. What a shame these two aren't in.
This is a great list. Most of these guys had great careers but aren't considered great because their time as world-beaters was relatively short. But even so, they are clearly better than so many others who are already in the Hall. I think if Belle and Delgado put up their numbers in the 60s-70s, they would have been elected hands down (Belle being a modern-day Ralph Kiner), but playing when they did it was harder to stand out. I also appreciate your focus on the old timers. I also appreciate your giving justice to the old timers!
I met Belle. He was a real a-hole towards me and other fans... LITERALLY snubbing US! So I completely disagree with him being in the HOF. I'm writing this after you mentioned Munson, that I agree fully with the rest, so far. Update: I absolutely agree with the other two. Belle and his attitude even with his fans the only exception.
Dustin Pedroia anybody? The face of the Red Sox after Ortiz retired. Won rookie of the year, AL MVP, silver slugger award, 4 time gold glove award, 4 time all star and 2 time World Series champion with a Lifetime batting average of .299
Dwight Evans was really, really good. I didn't personally see him play, as I only started watching baseball in 1995. I don't think he was on the team then. Eight Gold Gloves and 2400 hits? If Rolen got in with only around 2000 hits and also 8 Gold Gloves (albeit at a different position), then Evans should have at least had his time on the ballot!
A lot of people have different opinions on Evans (don't call him Dewey, he hated it.) I grew up watching him in Boston during his prime. He was a very good player, with a great throwing arm, but not A Great One. Guys that played on the same team as him- Rice, Yaz, Fisk & even Perez were Superstars. I'd rank Evans on the same scale as Former teammate as Fred Lynn.
@@marcstevens8576 Sure, he wasn't as good as Yaz, Rice, or Fisk. I didn't grow up watching them. I grew up watching Mo and Nomar, then Ortiz and Manny. So, I never saw him play. But his stats are good, but not as good as the others you named.
Carlos delgado hit at least 30 homeruns in 11 seasons & drove in more runs than the Mick?!?! R u f'n kidding me? Get your heads out of your collective asses! I agree on all your assessments & its hard to fathom that theres 20 players even better than these... thank goodness Crime Dog & scott Rolen finally got some overdue hall of fame love.
I’m 51 and a born Bombers fan who grew up 20 minutes from Yankee Stadium. I love too many Yankees legends to count, but I have only ever owned one team jersey my entire life: 15 And that’s the only one I’ll ever own.
Orioles fan here: Thurman Munson, what a great Yankee. A bit before I became a fan, but he was a game-changer, hands down. Hell, I cried watching the RUclips game in 1979 that was his memorial as it was a very painful thing to watch: 55,000 plus fans, and players all mourning together, shared grief over a true leader, and you could see that with tears everywhere you looked.... Team leader and on the field general, plus he put up with George Steinbrenner, and THAT ALONE should give him first ballot HOF. I used to say there is a reason why some players do not make the HOF, Munson's snub is arguably one of the most egregious.
Another banger of a mini docu by Erik. Okay so just listen me out on this ball player which i think at the very least deserves discussion regarding his HOF case. "Johnny Damon". Well over 2500 big league games if you count playoff games too (which ofcourse should be counted and he performed pretty well in them too). 2769 hits (over 500 doubles). .284 BA. Above .350 OBP. Over 400 stolen bags. Career .988 fielding percentage with a good amount played in CF. Multiple WS rings. Longevity wise he was durable and dependable, making every team he was a part of better with his presence. Not saying he was a super star and it is unbelievable he is not in the Hall, but cmon at the very least his stats deserve a look.
Jack Glasscock looks like Dr Phil with hair. You should have known that after Slim Sallee didn't make the Hall of Fame because he was only a reliever in his final season, he was a starter for the rest of his long career
...gotta say, I was really into baseball in the seventies and eighties, and I was shocked to see Munson's name on the list. I just assumed he was in the Hall...
Another outstanding video I will say that Dewey Evans was the best right fielder I ever saw play he was a Mainstay and consistent force in that Red Sox team he also had the best arm I ever saw and no I didn't get to see Roberto Clemente live because I wasn't alive myself. Albert Belle was a beast among men if there was anybody I would be a little hesitant to pitch inside to it would be that guy. And my final remark has to do with Carlos Beltran I coached baseball for many years and starting at age 7 and 8 in Little League I made my players learn how to steal signs while on second base from the catcher they had to give location to the batter by a series of intricate signs such as pointing to the outside part LOL I hope that doesn't keep me out of the Hall of Fame
@@bizfix11 it took him a few years to get going. The 2nd half of his career he was truly a hall of famer. Remember, it took Koufax 6 years to get his stuff down and we all know what happened to him.
There are only 3 players in the Hall of Fame with 3 or less All Star appearances. 2 are pitchers (Blyleven and Jenkins). Dewey only got 5% of the vote....its not even remotely close that he deserves to be in
Wow! He didn’t even mention Dale Murphy, “Donny Baseball” Don Mattingly, or 500+ home run hitter Gary Sheffield. My top 5 snubs are: #5. Tommy John #4. Orel Hershiser #3. Dale Murphy #2. Don Mattingly #1. Gary Sheffield
It's a crime that Munson is not in the Hall. I did a video called Catcher X for the Hall that compared an unnamed catcher (Munson) to a player that I think will go right in to the Hall (Buster Posey). Very similar careers but munson was a bit better including number of games caught (for those thinking he didn't play long enough). Stop the madness I say!
Saw Albert Belle play n he should be in. Same amount of seasons as Kirby Puckett! I saw Munson play numerous times at the Stadium n he was the spark plug for the Yanks. He was a leader. Dwight Evans definitely should be in.
Rolen was a good player but his second half of his career made it tough to decide, same with Beltran. I think it's really hard to decide and there needs to be some specific guidelines and things that are considered.
Beltran finished in top ten in MVP voting exactly twice in his 20-year career. Never a dominant player. Not a Hall of Famer despite having a long career, big career numbers, and being an all-around player above average in all aspects of the game. A great inaugural inductee in the Hall of Very Good.
compare Don Mattinglys stats to HOF Tony Oliva and Kirby Puckett + all the gold gloves. Also, Allie Reynolds merits alot of consideration from the old timers commitee
I Love it . Beltran is not a HOF imo Delgado ehhh. I’m not all for just BIG HR #’s during Powerball era It was a great career for both but idk about HOF . The ones I really Love and agree with are the old timers You dig up from 1800’s & real early 1900’s . They should be in and it’s super cool to see them getting Love from anyone Good looks Brotha . Coney was a Great SP and I can definitely see Him being worthy Orel not being in is just ridiculous Doc should be in just for His 1st 5 years alone they were so amazing Then He ended up coming back and giving a decent finally to His career Pitching a No/No and Winning another WS Ring 🏆 💍
@Soxruleyanksdrool Rose is one that is keeping Rose out. Google how many deals he botched that would allow him to get in. Best deal would have paid off his gambling debts, kept him out of prison, and eventually allowed him in. His constant lies hurt him as well. Widely known even during the 70's he was a heavy gambler. Rose also signed the agreement banning him forever. Rose thought he was bigger than baseball. And I like Rose as a player. It is not just one thing keeping him out. But the one thing they all have in common is Rose is at center of them. Other players former and current tried helping him get in. And he spit in their faces.
@charlesdoyle3630 Yes, but if the HOF already has steroid users as members (some say Ivan Rodriguez, Bagwell, and Raines are. I personally don't know because I wasn't there.) then they don't care enough to keep rule breakers out and should tear up any agreement with Rose and let him in. I have also heard that they are waiting until after he dies to just let him in without him being there. But that would be very petty on MLBs part. I'm not excusing Rose or anyone else. I just don't think it's fair that MLB gets to turn a blind eye to steroid use because of the McGwire/Bonds/Sosa HR races bringing in all those ratings, but when it suits them, they go after Pete Rose for gambling. Go after every known rule breaker or let them all walk. The rules should be enforced fairly for all. Just my .02 cents.
Well all I can say about the HOF nominators is that it took them FOREVER to realize the contributions of Gill Hodges both as a player with some of the greatest Dodger teams of the 1950's but the guy who took the prior worst franchise in baseball to the World Series Championship . So I don't give them a lot of credit for their picks.
No Dave Stieb? I'd argue Stieb was better than Herscheiser and obviously better than other pitchers in the HOF (Morris, for starters). He was punished by playing in Toronto, more or less. I'd even say he has a better case than Cone. (And FWIW, yes, I thought this BEFORE the Secret Base video series)
I've never been to Cooperstown but it would be cool if these SNUBBED guys were in an interactive room at the HOF where you could walk around the perimeter, plug in your head set you bought with admittance, and listen to the bio and arguments for whatever featured players and then have an annual selection where at least 1 guy was selected by the fans. In a time where we the people can't even have the president or governors we vote for cause the federal government and elites have plans to enslave us, can we at least vote on one guy for the HOF or should we just support Pete Rose efforts, the ultimate snub of snubs? Love that guy
Dwight Evans had a Hall of Fame moustache.
Fernando Valenzuela should get in. He had a great career. 2 rings, 1 CY young, ROY,, no-hitter, 6 all star games, 200 wins and perhaps most importantly, paving the way for Hispanic players
With all due respect I think Fernando does belong in the Hall of Fame BUT he did NOT pave the way for Hispanic players. That's not true I dont know where you got that from.
Jack Glasscock should be in the Hall for his name alone!
Along with Pete LaCock and Dick Pole.
Well David, you above all people would not like to be judged by YOUR name alone, do you?
As a Tigers fan I feel like Bill Freehan and Mickey Lolich should be on the next list seeing as that Lou Whitaker's still in the top 10.
It’s criminal that Sweet Lou is not in the hall.
I was gonna say this. Wasn't Lolich 4th or 5th all time in strikeouts when he retired? Freehan was at least(without looking it up) TEN times all-star?
Lou has a higher lifetime WAR than Jeter.
just LOOK at Lolich's stats .... NOT ONE CURRENT MLB pitcher could do what he did... ! NOT ONE !
Joe Carter should've been in the cooperstown was on 2 world series and Dale Murphy great career in Atlanta with the Braves in the 80's put up great years 1980-1987 2 NL Mvp and Dave Parker another great won 2 world series 1 NLMvp .
My dad always called the mlb sportswriters “a bunch of jock sniffing, bowtie wearing, picked last in gym class, stuck up nerds”
your dad was being nice about them. No single group of people know less about baseball than the so called BBWAA...
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It's very interesting that BBWAA don't like cheaters, but had no problems sliding bribes to locker room attendants to get the dirty laundry before anyone else did. It's also VERY interesting that players don't vote on the broadcasters who go in. I imagine the writers section in the HoF would be a lot smaller if they did.
@@nco_gets_it So then you like all the committee selections over the years?
One guy I believe should definitely be in is William Dummy Hoy. He was a great hitter and stole a ton of bases. He was deaf as well and is considered to be the reason that umpires you signals to call balls and strikes
@breadandcircuses8127 Yes he was. He went to Ohio school for the deaf. There is a movie made about his life
Wow. I had never even considered Cone for the HOF. I had no idea he was that good. You made a fantastic case for him
Probably because you didn't see him own your hometown team as often as I did. Mine would be the Mariners. Even in their best times, it seemed like the Yankees pitching staff could frustrate the heck out of them.
Cone shouldn't make it. I see this as a reach for clicks. He was very good but never great for a long period of time. I don't see 300 wins or 3,500 strike outs. Just very good
Delgado is very similar in stats to Fred McGriff and therefore definitely belongs in the Hall of Fame.
McGriff is a champion.
Dave Stieb and Carlos Delgado should be HOF players. I am a huge Jays fan. I cried with tears of joy when Doc Halladay got in on 2019. You should make a video about him. We won't see another ace like him for a long time.
Dave Stieb.
Every year amazing competitor.
@@durasaxon5131 As a Yankee fan, I know how good Stieb was. I remember his near perfect game against the Yankees when he was a strike away from the feat. Stieb is the American League version of Orel Hershieser. A great pitcher who falls just short of reaching the HOF.
I've got Roy Halladay autographed rookie card -- make me an offer.......
Doc Halladay was good with a six shooter. It's too bad he had TB.
Delgado maybe but Stieb didn't even come close with career numbers. Sure for the Blue Jays Hall of Fame but not enough for Cooperstown.
Diehard Cub fan here, Mark Grace. Most hits in the 90's, consistently hit above .300, All Star and Solid Glove at 1st.
Don't forget, it was Grace who started that BIG comeback for the Diamondbacks in the 2001 world series. Grace got MORE hits and Doubles in the 90's.
I'm a Cubs fan myself. Grace not being in is ridiculous. Like you said he had the most hits of the 90s. A time when everybody was Juiced out of their minds. And he got more hits than all of them. A multiple time Gold Glove winner. His war is 46.4 I believe. And a career .383 OBP.
For Tommy John, he should have played 3 more mediocre years and hurt his arm enough so he couldn't lift a pencil after retirement to get those 12 wins he needed to get to 300. He might as well had a record of 4 and 8242343524362 to the writers. Just like McGriff.
its the HALL OF FAME and whats more famous then Tommy John surgery
@@mikekinsella2822 Exactly. The writers never seem to add qualitative factors into consideration, only those numbers that have to reach certain milestones, not 3 hits or strikeouts short of the certain milestones. Remember that Jackie goddamn Robinson almost didn't get in his first ballot (though a few no votes were probably due to racism). Larry Doby didn't get elected until 1998.
There should be a fan vote where fans elect 1 player every year who receives the most votes if the writers fail to elect anyone. So players like Curt Schilling or Carlos Beltran don't waste ballot space for 10 years because writers are petty and dumb. If the writers want to submit a blank ballot and write a "journalism" article on why they're so stunning and brave for not voting anyone, fine, but don't punish it for the rest of us. There's no point in even having a hall of fame if there isn't at least someone inducted every year.
This is a fantastic channel
Paul Konerko,6 All star,World Series,over 400 homeruns. Also the late Bill Freehan.11 All star,5 gold gloves,world series.
KoKo Korneko: How can he not be in the HoF. Because he went out and played the game like it should be played. No theatrics. No 'droids. No flashy defense. Just solid numbers year after year.
I remember thinking the same thing about Delgado back when he was killing it. He was awesome.
For real, especially considering he did the bill of his work in essentially a 13 year career. His other 4 seasons saw playing time that doesn’t even equal one season.
I was originally a little miffed at leaving Don Mattingly out of the first list but after watching the next two, these list are incredibly on point and I've learned new things. Good job!
You know, I've been liking the content of the channel. It's great. Especially the one where it talks about the 10 players who are clubhouse cancers to teams. Watched it more than once. Recommend a part 2 of the content.
David Cone, has a Cy Young and a perfect game, that combo should kinda just bypass the vote.
I think one of the biggest names that your list is missing is Lefty O'Doul. 5th all time for Career batting average .349 .413 on base (32nd all time) and .532 slg (50th all time) ops .945 (27th). Sure it was only an 11 year career, but you know what else he did? He introduced baseball to Japan. The Tokyo Giants are named such because Lefty last played for the New York Giants. No Lefty and we don't have Nomo, Ichiro, or Ohtani
Fred McGriff, great call, retired with the same amount of Homers as Lou Gerhig. Played during the roid era but his skinny frame it was evident he definitely didnt need that. His lanky build and sweet swing was a rhing if beauty
Yeah, idk. Ryan Braun was pretty lean and lanky too.
@@arktkt06fred wasn't a user
Fred was a cheater
Great case for Tiant and glad you have him on there. Dwight Evans was an elite right fielder, one of the best of all time. Great list
Thanks!
Not to mention Dewey's Arm.He had a cannon!
@@kevmac1230 he sure did. I recently made a video about the best outfield arms I’ve seen and Dewey was one of them 👍
@@signsofthepastime I will check it out.
Evan's was lifetime. 272 hitter with 3 All Star appearances in 20 yrs, and no MVP'S. Not HOF numbers. I'm a huge Dewey fan, but hes not HOF
Luis Tiant , Dwight Evans, Dale Murphy and AL Oliver are my top four
Great show hummer!!!! Highly recommed!! I've been in despair again on account of the "extinct" centerfielder. Going the way of the knuckleballer, like he's an anomally, A mysterious extinct prehistoric ceature from lore. If Willie Mays were a young prospect today, he'd be forced to gain 25 pounds and play right field, he'd never steal, bunt, tag when dangerous. It would seem having five tools leads to injuries, so this player gets avoided in favor of big homer hitting thugs with far less D and OBP like its a home run derby now, not the game I played..
Thank you for including Hershiser. He absolutely deserves to be in.
I like to make a case for Willie McGee. He doesn't have the home runs a lot of outfielders have, but he does have:
1984 MVP
4x All-Star
3 Gold Gloves
1 Silver Slugger
4 World Series, 1 win
2 NL Batting Titles during Tony Gwynn's prime
Over 2200 hits with 350 stolen bases
Not a bad resumé for a guy most people think of as a role player just because he was quiet and didn't have many homers, but he did have lots of doubles, triples, and stolen bases. Compare him to guys like Scott Rolen, Alan Trammell, Bill Mazeroski...
I do appreciate you are showing players nobody has ever heard of.
I think you could make a great argument for George Foster to be in the HOF. The 1977 season he had was ridiculous, hitting 52 homers and driving in 149, winning the MVP. Really important part of the big red machine.
How in the world is Orel not in the Hall? He was dominant, and I mean dominant for at least a decade. He broke the scoreless inning streak, a record that was thought unbreakable at the time. Probably because he is an outspoken Christian. Jack Morris isn't even in the same category as Hershiser.
No Jeff Kent in your top 10? MVP and most HR by a 2nd Basemen of all time?
I had no idea that
Orel Hershiser wasn't in the Hall of Fame🤯
Same here. I thought I was being trolled there while watching Orels video.
Crime Dog and Griffey Jr were my two favorite players growing up.
Love your videos! As a Kansas Citian and Royals fan, just wanted to point out that Coney won the Cy Young in 1994 with KC (Cone and Kevin Appier a really underrated 1-2 punch of the era). Agree he had an underratedly great career and needs more Hall consideration. One of the worst trades in Royals history was trading young, Kansas City native and childhood Royals fan David Cone to the Mets for Ed Hearn, and then after getting him back in free agency, we doubled down on it after the Kauffmans (original owners) died and money dried up by sending him to the Blue Jays right after winning the Cy Young for Chris Stynes. Woof.
tiant also started his career in the mexican leagues--played a long time there before the MLB
Every morning when I don't brush my teeth, I get the plaque I deserve.
I love that bit of throttle of
excitement in your voice
with a touch of distain
over those who have not
made the HALL.
As a Yankees fan I truly
would hope Thurman Munson
would be in the Hall of Fame.
Also,
immense respect for
Dwight Evans.
Orel Hershiser?
Tommy John?
Luis Tiant?
Absolutely!!
Most of your selections
have credentials.
Now why isn't Albert Belle
in the Hall of Fame? ty
I'm binging -
Very enjoyable! ✅
It's a joy to listen to someone who understands the game and those who played it...
Epic video. Perfectly produced and thought out.
Out of all the players ive watched its Andrew Jones who is my #1 snub. His defense was historically great and his power numbers rank with other HOF players.
Your knowledge and research are admirable . My issue is that baseball's HoF is exclusive and that's what makes it special . Plus you're on a third top 10 snubbed list so in truth it's now a top 30 list . Will it eventually be a top 50?
Great list and thank you for putting it together.
Oral Hershiser 100% deserves to be in. He is the player that got me into baseball when I was 8 years old.
I would have to say there has been no player in baseball who wanted to win more than Hershiser.
Classic cases of writers, who never or couldn’t play, holding the power of who gets in or not, and if there was a player who didn’t get along with the writers he was guaranteed not to get in.
You deserve so many more viewers and likes
Wainwright may be in the list one day, those injuries he had each time he had a 20 win season really did a number to what his stats could have been. Even then a case can be made especially if he gets past 200 wins.
Bill Buckner, Vada Pinson, how can they not be in? Rusty Staub, very, very underrated.
Hershieser has one of those rare feats that with all his other numbers and awards should , imo, easily push him across the finish line for the hof, he had one of those dominating post seasons where he led his team to a world series victory. Slam dunk. Also Jim Edmonds was an elite player for most of his career and one of the top center fielders of his era , he should be in too.
I would change the word "led" to "carried".
Belle's the kinda guy that would start a fight on his induction day.
Haven’t seen all three videos but am going to take a shot in the dark; Pitcher Mike Marshall is one that I believe should be in the HOF.
one manager i believe should be in the hof is former pirates manager Danny Murtaugh he won two world series both against hall of fame managers weaver and stengal. his teams owned the nl east and he took his team to the post season almost every year. murtaugh belongs in the hof.
I've been emailing numerous writers over the years saying Tommy John belongs there as I did for Jack Morris & Jim Kaat until they got in. Munson definetly needs to get in. He was the backbone of the great 70s Yankee teams. If Belle had his father's personality he would have gotten in. I heard his dad was a well liked coach years ago. Seems numerous players such as Cone aren't in because they had short stints with several teams. Noticed also that some players who spent a good portion of their careers playing for a Canadian or Florida teams teams get overlooked.
Sorry man, but all of those guys fell off the ballot years, if not decades, ago. Emailing writers won’t do you any good because they can’t vote for them anymore.
I must disagree on your comment regarding Munson being a Hall Of Famer. True, he was on the same line as Bench & Fisk during the '70's, however, he didn't play long enough to be inducted. The only player who played fewer seasons & was inducted was old time pitcher Addie Joss, who put up numbers that stand to this day.
14:06 👍 GREAT Footage ❕
Delgado going Yard at old Cashman Field
Las Vegas, NV.
That’s Awesome 👏
It is time to rethink pitchers from the 80's and 90's who didn't get 300 wins. Guys like Stewart and Viola dominated and never really got a fair shake at the HOF.
Mario Soto
Valenzuela?
The fact that Curt Schilling is not in is a complete joke.
Happy to see you mention the 19th Century players. So many people simply pass over them these days.
Have you ever thought of Tom Henke on your list of snubs
Carlos Beltran was one of my favorite players to watch growing up. His career is definitely HOF worthy. It's a shame what he was involved in though. I was honestly about to go on a rant about you defending Beltran until you mentioned the part where everyone was doing it and this was in his final season of his MLB career. And the mere fact that Cora and Hinch still have a job is saying something about "consistency".
For David Cone, aside from all the stats you mentioned, he was one of the true big game pitchers in the playoffs. There is no denying it.
Appreciate you giving respect to Orel Hershiser. It's a shame that his run of pitching dominance didn't last long due to injuries and lack of run support in LA.
How Carlos Delgado made only 2 All star teams was surprising.
You hit the nail on the head for Thurman Munson. His HR numbers aren't great, but he was the main force in the Yankees' 70s titles.
And Dwight Evans, 3x All Star, 8x Gold Glove award. People today quickly forget the cannon of an arm he had in right field. 385 home runs, nearly 2,500 hits, and his longevity was highly impressive.
What's crazy is how only the Puerto Rican and Hispanic players got introuble for the Astros cheating and the American players didn't get disciplined at all,Belrtan was the the person they blamed he wasn't even there long enough....He fasho is a hall of Fame players but what's the hall with out the best players?
@jasonrodriguez8569 he brought the system from a previous team and expanded on it. Astros had no system until Beltran arrived. But if it really helped so much why are there away numbers better?
As an Astros and Beltran fan, I say it is so much worse that he was the veteran on that team. Veterans are there to make sure stuff like that didn’t happen, not to take part of it, much less be a ringleader. I can’t support him getting in.
Let’s keep in mind Beltran wasn’t just involved in the cheating scandal. He was the one who started it here in Houston. He brought it from New York. He was adamant about using the system. So really in all actuality, he was probably cheating for many years seeing that the Yankees were doing it and he brought that system here.
even worse, the ws should have been given to the dodgers.
You know, David Cone could literally be the biggest #1 snub. Dude cooked in the late 80s into the 90s! Holy crap!! To the point I actually assumed he was already a HOFer! Jesus Christ
Same with Orel Hershiser. I mean wow.
Mini top 5 of players you’ve yet to talk about in this series that I think are snubs
Bill Dahlen: 20 year career before WW1
Graig Nettles: Advanced Statistics Darling, and at a position in need of more representation in Cooperstown.
Ken Boyer: For example! This guy is an 11 time all star, 5 time gold Glover, and won an MVP, yet he has no plaque? What’s the BBWAA’s beef with 3rd Baseman? Him, Sal Bando, Graig Nettles, Dick Allen, and Buddy Bell are all huge snubs, and all at the same position!
Dave Steib: He is both the best starting pitcher of the 80s, and the single greatest Blue Jay in franchise history, yet he’s not in the Hall!
Bobby Abreu: I will die fighting to get him in, I don’t care. Nearly batted for a career .300 .400 .500 during the Steroid Era while being clean. He’s 20th on the all time walk list and also stole 400 bags. Hall of Famer, without question.
3B is the most under-represented fielding position in Cooperstown by a country mile. IIRC, Mike Schmitt was only the tenth 3B elected, and his career came after all those guys you mentioned.
As a Dodger fan, Hershiser is my all time favorite pitcher and the fact that he’s not in Cooperstown is insane
Grew up a giants fan but u are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, he dominated in postseason btw I was shocked to see him not in hall
@@mattamick1163 I can name at least two former Giants pitchers who deserve to be in the Hall, Lincecum and MadBum
Stop it! He's not a Hall Of Famer.
He has the 59 consecutive scoreless innings pitched. That was a dominant stretch that no pitcher has matched.
Not even close to a hof
My brother...we're not gonna see eye to eye on Beltran (or Altuve or Bregman or my own beloved Blue Jay George Springer). Anyone who intentionally cheats the game (I DO NOT give a damn if it's always been part of the game, it's STILL cheating, and "cheating is cheating, just like, cheating is cheating"), DOES NOT deserve enshrinement with the immortals. Altuve is top 50 all-time in my book, I hope to God he never gets in.
I hope the 46% who voted for Beltran decide have a change of heart, and decide to vote for MLB players, not MLB traitors.
Darrell Evans and HoJo belong in the Hall. The voters don't like Evans' batting average, but he's 13th all time in walks. Plus he's got 400+ HR's in a non-PED era. HoJo's got similar numbers to Jackie Robinson as well as being the only switch-hitter in MLB history with multiple 30/30 Clubs, which he had 3 of within 5 years. Plus he's got 2 rings with 2 different teams.
Darrell Evans really deserves more love. Even with modern assessment, he had a career WAR close to 60. He was a serious threat for pretty much his entire career. The Tigers of the '80s had a few guys guys who history has underappreciated. Evans, Lou Whittaker...
Albert Belle was the most fearsome hitter of his time. He more than deserves to be in the hall. I was not sold on Hershiser but you convinced me.
One point that angers me is the writers will use the idea that Belle had a short career against him, but then somehow count longevity against a player like Tommy John saying oh he just accumulated stats. ridiculous.
I just saw this current top 10 video, of your's .... I would like to add my 3 former ball players to you, list. 2 every day guys & 1 pitcher, they are 1 } Craig Nettles, 2 } Steve Garvey, & 3 } Jerry Koosman. growing up in New Jersey Yankees & Mets are still at the top of my list. Plus I was a major Padres fan back in 1984 ...........
A 3.34 ERA over that long a career is wicked impressive.
Glad to see Dewey getting some love! I could not agree more, he is a HUGE snub. And from watching this, I never realized how deserving Carlos Delgado is for the Hall. What a shame these two aren't in.
Dewy dewy dewy dewy!
This is a great list. Most of these guys had great careers but aren't considered great because their time as world-beaters was relatively short. But even so, they are clearly better than so many others who are already in the Hall. I think if Belle and Delgado put up their numbers in the 60s-70s, they would have been elected hands down (Belle being a modern-day Ralph Kiner), but playing when they did it was harder to stand out. I also appreciate your focus on the old timers.
I also appreciate your giving justice to the old timers!
I met Belle. He was a real a-hole towards me and other fans... LITERALLY snubbing US! So I completely disagree with him being in the HOF. I'm writing this after you mentioned Munson, that I agree fully with the rest, so far.
Update: I absolutely agree with the other two. Belle and his attitude even with his fans the only exception.
the problem with belle isn't his numbers it's his attitude he was a cancer on every team he was on that's why he isn't in.
Dustin Pedroia anybody? The face of the Red Sox after Ortiz retired. Won rookie of the year, AL MVP, silver slugger award, 4 time gold glove award, 4 time all star and 2 time World Series champion with a Lifetime batting average of .299
Yeah right behind Sweet Lou
Not before Dwight Evans
When Thurman Munson played he was the only player ever mentioned as captain of his team. Even today you rarely hear Captain of the team
Beltran is a top 10 post season performer as well...everyday player not including pitchers...
Dewey also had a great batting stance
Dwight Evans was really, really good. I didn't personally see him play, as I only started watching baseball in 1995. I don't think he was on the team then. Eight Gold Gloves and 2400 hits? If Rolen got in with only around 2000 hits and also 8 Gold Gloves (albeit at a different position), then Evans should have at least had his time on the ballot!
A lot of people have different opinions on Evans (don't call him Dewey, he hated it.) I grew up watching him in Boston during his prime. He was a very good player, with a great throwing arm, but not A Great One. Guys that played on the same team as him- Rice, Yaz, Fisk & even Perez were Superstars. I'd rank Evans on the same scale as Former teammate as Fred Lynn.
@@marcstevens8576 Sure, he wasn't as good as Yaz, Rice, or Fisk. I didn't grow up watching them. I grew up watching Mo and Nomar, then Ortiz and Manny. So, I never saw him play. But his stats are good, but not as good as the others you named.
Curt Schilling - 79.5 WAR, 216-146, 3.46 ERA, WS MVP NLCS MVP, bloody sock game and 3,116 Ks. Easily the biggest snub of all time imo
Carlos delgado hit at least 30 homeruns in 11 seasons & drove in more runs than the Mick?!?! R u f'n kidding me? Get your heads out of your collective asses!
I agree on all your assessments & its hard to fathom that theres 20 players even better than these... thank goodness Crime Dog & scott Rolen finally got some overdue hall of fame love.
Lou Whitaker…
I’m 51 and a born Bombers fan who grew up 20 minutes from Yankee Stadium. I love too many Yankees legends to count, but I have only ever owned one team jersey my entire life:
15
And that’s the only one I’ll ever own.
#15 💪👍
Orioles fan here:
Thurman Munson, what a great Yankee. A bit before I became a fan, but he was a game-changer, hands down. Hell, I cried watching the RUclips game in 1979 that was his memorial as it was a very painful thing to watch: 55,000 plus fans, and players all mourning together, shared grief over a true leader, and you could see that with tears everywhere you looked....
Team leader and on the field general, plus he put up with George Steinbrenner, and THAT ALONE should give him first ballot HOF.
I used to say there is a reason why some players do not make the HOF, Munson's snub is arguably one of the most egregious.
U didn't mention David cones Incredible season of going 20-3
1988, started that year in the bullpen.
Another banger of a mini docu by Erik.
Okay so just listen me out on this ball player which i think at the very least deserves discussion regarding his HOF case.
"Johnny Damon".
Well over 2500 big league games if you count playoff games too (which ofcourse should be counted and he performed pretty well in them too).
2769 hits (over 500 doubles).
.284 BA.
Above .350 OBP.
Over 400 stolen bags.
Career .988 fielding percentage with a good amount played in CF.
Multiple WS rings.
Longevity wise he was durable and dependable, making every team he was a part of better with his presence.
Not saying he was a super star and it is unbelievable he is not in the Hall, but cmon at the very least his stats deserve a look.
Jack Glasscock looks like Dr Phil with hair. You should have known that after Slim Sallee didn't make the Hall of Fame because he was only a reliever in his final season, he was a starter for the rest of his long career
while i dont agree about Cone, Hershiser, or Belle, you do happen to make some good lists. keep it up
...gotta say, I was really into baseball in the seventies and eighties, and I was shocked to see Munson's name on the list. I just assumed he was in the Hall...
Cone won the Cy yong in 1994 he was traded from the Mets to the Blue Jays in 1992 stretch run.
Another outstanding video I will say that Dewey Evans was the best right fielder I ever saw play he was a Mainstay and consistent force in that Red Sox team he also had the best arm I ever saw and no I didn't get to see Roberto Clemente live because I wasn't alive myself. Albert Belle was a beast among men if there was anybody I would be a little hesitant to pitch inside to it would be that guy. And my final remark has to do with Carlos Beltran I coached baseball for many years and starting at age 7 and 8 in Little League I made my players learn how to steal signs while on second base from the catcher they had to give location to the batter by a series of intricate signs such as pointing to the outside part LOL I hope that doesn't keep me out of the Hall of Fame
Dewey was lifetime .272 hitter with 3 All Star appearances in 20 yrs and no MVP's. Not HOF numbers. I'll take him on my team anytime, just not HOF
@@bizfix11 it took him a few years to get going. The 2nd half of his career he was truly a hall of famer. Remember, it took Koufax 6 years to get his stuff down and we all know what happened to him.
There are only 3 players in the Hall of Fame with 3 or less All Star appearances. 2 are pitchers (Blyleven and Jenkins). Dewey only got 5% of the vote....its not even remotely close that he deserves to be in
I wish Albert Belle never came to the Orioles.
That was a bad Free Agent move.
My beloved Orioles did sign some winners.... Glenn Davis, Albert Belle, Fernando,
Don Mattingly .307 BA and 9 gold gloves
Wow! He didn’t even mention Dale Murphy, “Donny Baseball” Don Mattingly, or 500+ home run hitter Gary Sheffield. My top 5 snubs are:
#5. Tommy John
#4. Orel Hershiser
#3. Dale Murphy
#2. Don Mattingly
#1. Gary Sheffield
It's a crime that Munson is not in the Hall. I did a video called Catcher X for the Hall that compared an unnamed catcher (Munson) to a player that I think will go right in to the Hall (Buster Posey). Very similar careers but munson was a bit better including number of games caught (for those thinking he didn't play long enough). Stop the madness I say!
On the fence that Munson should be in HoF. He just didn't have great numbers
Good stuff Eric
Thank you!
Saw Albert Belle play n he should be in. Same amount of seasons as Kirby Puckett! I saw Munson play numerous times at the Stadium n he was the spark plug for the Yanks. He was a leader. Dwight Evans definitely should be in.
Rolen was a good player but his second half of his career made it tough to decide, same with Beltran. I think it's really hard to decide and there needs to be some specific guidelines and things that are considered.
Albert Belle played with the Chicago White Sox also.
Beltran finished in top ten in MVP voting exactly twice in his 20-year career. Never a dominant player. Not a Hall of Famer despite having a long career, big career numbers, and being an all-around player above average in all aspects of the game. A great inaugural inductee in the Hall of Very Good.
How about Jeff Kent? Career .290/.356/.500 and 377 homers for a second baseman is pretty special.
compare Don Mattinglys stats to HOF Tony Oliva and Kirby Puckett + all the gold gloves. Also, Allie Reynolds merits alot of consideration from the old timers commitee
I think it’s important to note that Vladimir Guerrero had noticeably under 500 career home runs in that didn’t stop him from getting an Hall of Fame
I Love it .
Beltran is not a HOF imo
Delgado ehhh.
I’m not all for just BIG HR #’s during Powerball era
It was a great career for both but idk about HOF .
The ones I really Love and agree with are the old timers You dig up from 1800’s & real early 1900’s .
They should be in and it’s super cool to see them getting Love from anyone
Good looks Brotha .
Coney was a Great SP and I can definitely see Him being worthy
Orel not being in is just ridiculous
Doc should be in just for His 1st 5 years alone they were so amazing
Then He ended up coming back and giving a decent finally to His career
Pitching a No/No and Winning another
WS Ring 🏆 💍
Carlos Beltran had the sweetest swing, so fluent....
Is Joey Belle in Cooperstown ??
I'll say it until forever.......the HOF is an absolute JOKE without the all-time hits leader.
@Soxruleyanksdrool Rose is one that is keeping Rose out. Google how many deals he botched that would allow him to get in. Best deal would have paid off his gambling debts, kept him out of prison, and eventually allowed him in. His constant lies hurt him as well. Widely known even during the 70's he was a heavy gambler. Rose also signed the agreement banning him forever. Rose thought he was bigger than baseball. And I like Rose as a player. It is not just one thing keeping him out. But the one thing they all have in common is Rose is at center of them. Other players former and current tried helping him get in. And he spit in their faces.
@charlesdoyle3630 Yes, but if the HOF already has steroid users as members (some say Ivan Rodriguez, Bagwell, and Raines are. I personally don't know because I wasn't there.) then they don't care enough to keep rule breakers out and should tear up any agreement with Rose and let him in. I have also heard that they are waiting until after he dies to just let him in without him being there. But that would be very petty on MLBs part. I'm not excusing Rose or anyone else. I just don't think it's fair that MLB gets to turn a blind eye to steroid use because of the McGwire/Bonds/Sosa HR races bringing in all those ratings, but when it suits them, they go after Pete Rose for gambling. Go after every known rule breaker or let them all walk. The rules should be enforced fairly for all. Just my .02 cents.
Well all I can say about the HOF nominators is that it took them FOREVER to realize the contributions of Gill Hodges both as a player with some of the greatest Dodger teams of the 1950's but the guy who took the prior worst franchise in baseball to the World Series Championship . So I don't give them a lot of credit for their picks.
No Dave Stieb? I'd argue Stieb was better than Herscheiser and obviously better than other pitchers in the HOF (Morris, for starters). He was punished by playing in Toronto, more or less.
I'd even say he has a better case than Cone. (And FWIW, yes, I thought this BEFORE the Secret Base video series)
I've never been to Cooperstown but it would be cool if these SNUBBED guys were in an interactive room at the HOF where you could walk around the perimeter, plug in your head set you bought with admittance, and listen to the bio and arguments for whatever featured players and then have an annual selection where at least 1 guy was selected by the fans. In a time where we the people can't even have the president or governors we vote for cause the federal government and elites have plans to enslave us, can we at least vote on one guy for the HOF or should we just support Pete Rose efforts, the ultimate snub of snubs? Love that guy